Superman and Wonder Woman DO have a lot in common, but I think that’s exactly why they’re a bad match. Both are in search of the best that humanity has to offer them, having been denied normalcy by the circumstances of their birth. It’s Lois and Steve who allow Superman to feel like a man, and Wonder Woman to feel like a woman.
Superman and Lois Lane forever, ergo, never SuperWonder, in my opinion.
I did like Wonder Woman and Batman in DCAU like Justice League. They were cute and I could ship it. She’s kinda too good for everyone, as an immortal demigoddess is, and doesn’t need no man, but if I’m choosing between Steve and Clark, it’s always Steve.
Personally I’m against inter-League dating of all kinds. It kind of messes with the magic of the DC Universe. Part of what make it special is that it can be conjoined and segmented at will. To tangle up two separate lines romantically like that creates too permanent a bridge. It gets to the point where you can’t really tell a Wonder Woman story without addressing Superman, or vice versa. Let characters date within their own character pools.
However: I would like to say, @nu52, that it is extremely cool that you are running two separate events for each ship this Valentine’s period. And the combustibility of this poll was exactly what I needed to be reeled into a Watchalong this weekend. I admire your event planning and structure!
Super easy decision, full pun intended. I’ve voiced my opinion many a time on how Steve Trevor couldn’t get near it. I’ll allow my literal hometown hero all the WW he wants. Trevor stay away from my princess.
As discussed above, I think the Superman and Wonder Woman want and need human connections. They both want to be part of the human world (at least in many iterations of the characters). That’s not to say exploring their alien/mythological roots can’t be exciting (it is! I absolutely love exploring the pantheons of old), but if these two power houses drift too far away from their humanity and are treated like they’re too much ‘above’ everyone else as major DC tent-pole characters, they can be hard for readers to connect to. Actually, both of these characters can already be difficult to relate to (for me) - in some stories they are almost treated as perfect and infallible… which… eh… Also, as tent-pole characters, I agree that building a relationship with a character within their own solo series or family of books seems to allow more growth for the characters involved.
I think exploring Clark and Diana as a couple in the new 52 was interesting. In the end, it actually helped me appreciate their traditional relationships more. I’ve never been a huge Lois fan, but this experience really solidified her as the right partner for Clark in my mind.
Here’s the thing about Wonder Woman – whether she’s a being created from clay or a demi-god, she’s effectively immortal. Steve Trevor can spend the rest of his life with Diana Prince, but she can’t spend the rest of her life with him.
I think there’s a reason why when we often see SuperWonder in the comics, it’s at some point in the future, when Steve Trevor and Lois Lane are effectively long dead, such as Kingdom Come and the Dark Knight Universe.
Another thing to consider as to why I think SuperWonder is in some ways more popular is that, let’s be honest, the two weren’t a couple longer in the span of comics than they were. Like, Post Crisis he was married to Etta Candy, and that span of comics history went for…30 years, give or take. Even in the Golden Age it was a will-they-won’t-they and he was seemingly virtually absent in the Silver Age. Really, this is the first period in comics where I think DC has seriously tried to make WonderTrev a real, viable couple, and it’s only been here for about four years at most.
This is probably crazy rambling at this point, so I’ll just say that I find both compelling and full of potential, and I don’t think one negates the other. Does that make sense?
I love Diana and Steve together. They’re really a great couple, but I’ll always prefer Wonder Woman and Superman. I never cared for Lois & Clark. I like Lois. I like Clark. Just never cared for them as a couple.
Wonder Woman and Superman do share similarities, such as their line of work and the love they have for mankind, as well as their power levels. There’s a reason why Lois constantly gets stories where she gains powers out of nowhere. It’s fun! That being said, Diana and Clark have differing views and ways they approach certain situations. They’re not carbon copies of one another. They challenge each other and it’s wonderful.
I also don’t subscribe to the notion that Lois is what ties Clark to humanity. Clark had an entire childhood and upbringing full of love from his caring parents and friends. Clark in his adulthood has Kara, Jimmy, Perry, Bibbo, etc. If he’s only invested in mankind because of one person, that’s kind of sad.
Though Clark may be in search of the best that humanity has to offer, I don’t feel Diana is. She knows what the best humanity has to offer is. IMO, she’s trying to bring it out.
I can see that from Clark’s POV, but not Diana’s. She was born a Wonder Woman among a race of Wonder Women. She had a typical upbringing for an Amazon.
I’m not exactly sure what you mean by this. Men and women, to me, don’t need to be in relationships to feel like men and women.
I can also see what you mean about inter-League dating. It’s not the smartest of options. As far as stories being conjoined and segmented at will, I still feel that it’d be no different to people asking where Flash is when Green Arrow needs help, etc. Just because two people are in a relationship, I don’t believe they’d always have to be together.
Thank you for joining the watch-along Hub. Really was a blast
@capo-mage That Wonder Woman action figure is amazing!
Yeah, many people share your thoughts on this. Totally understand. Relatable characters are necessary to do just that, have the readers relate to the story. I guess, when it comes to comics, I’m just fine not relating to characters. I personally prefer to read about both types of characters and stories. The relatable and the not-so-relatable. I like characters that you can aspire to. There are so many characters that are “flawed” and are “raw” and they’re awesome. I do appreciate the infallible sometimes though. It’s not to say Diana and Clark don’t make mistakes or have their faults, but part of the reason I read comics is for that sense of heroism that you really only get when you see/read Wonder Woman or when you see/read Superman.
Aww, that’s sad, but true. Steve and Lois are human after all and Diana and Clark will eventually lose them no matter what. It’s heart breaking (Chris Pine’s Steve ).
That’s a good point. For decades, Steve was Etta’s love interest. The thing is that in other projects outside of comics, some of which are far more popular, Diana and Steve are linked. Lynda Carter’s Wonder Woman is linked with Steve. DCAU Diana has a strong link to Steve in the animated Justice League. Her first solo movies (animated and live action) feature Steve as do her second solo movies (Bloodlines and 1984). They’re even link in DC Super Hero Girls. Those appearances definitely keep them at the forefront of people’s minds. Diana and Clark really only had a few scenes in the animated movieverse and a few scenes in JL Action.
I figured that one would win by a landslide
That’s definitely a popular ship. I was going more for actual relationships, where that was more just a little flirtmance, but WonderBat has a strong following for sure.
Yes! I really liked them in that story. I always like them, I just really liked them there.
First off on, Wonder Woman and Batman – I think there’s definitely some interesting parallels and honestly more so than even her with Superman.
Both are in their societies born in a place of privilege. Bruce is of course born of old money, conceivably without a want for anything. While Paradise Island is in many ways more equal than in ours, Diana was still born as a princess, someone to be revered.
Both are skilled fighters. A lot of times when, say, a JLA story focuses on Batman and Wonder Woman, it’s with the two sparring, in some ways equal in terms of skill. I like to imagine that they’ve both teached each other different moves over the years they worked together.
Finally, they’re both on a mission that they both know, deep down can never be fully achieved. Batman is fighting a war on crime, and Diana is out to create peace on Man’s World.