"Once you’ve lost your virginity to this ■■■■■■■ movie and then you come and say to me something about like ‘my superhero wouldn’t do that.’ I’m like ‘Are you serious?’ I’m like down the ■■■■■■■ road on that.
It’s a cool point of view to be like ‘my heroes are still innocent. My heroes didn’t ■■■■■■■ lie to America. My heroes didn’t embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn’t commit any atrocities.’ That’s cool. But you’re living in a ■■■■■■■ dream world."
– Zack Snyder 2019
I really want to break this quote down a little bit and explain why Zack’s logic is severely flawed and why I couldn’t care less about him and I’m glad he’s not in charge of the DC movies anymore.
Zack Snyder is a great director, don’t get me wrong, but he’s wrong about this. People always ask why doesn’t Batman kill the Joker? Why doesn’t Batman kill? After everything that the Joker’s done; Jason Todd, Barbara Gordon, Tim Drake, and so much more, Batman still refuses to kill.
It is not because he doesn’t want to. If anyone wants to it’s Batman, but the thing is he CHOOSES not to do so because he is afraid of what will happen AFTER he kills the Joker.
There are two rules Batman strictly follows:
Never use a gun with bullets.
Even in the Dark Knight Returns which features a darker Batman who uses a gun with rubber bullets for a brief period, Batman takes the guns and breaks them across his knee basically saying “we don’t use guns, criminals use guns, we don’t need to” or something along those lines.
But the fact is Batman NEVER kills unless he is absolutely forced to like in Justice League Unlimited when Deadman controls his body. This rule is very personal for Bruce because it’s part of his origin. Whenever a teammate of his tries to kill the Joker, Bruce is willing to protect the Joker because he’s afraid of what they will do next. Jason and even Barbara would have no issue justifying the need and want to kill criminals especially the Joker.
But the reason why he keeps that strict rule is because he doesn’t want to become the very criminal that killed his parents the night he really became Batman.
Even justifying one kill for a man that has done way more harm that good is still inconceivable to Batman because he’s afraid that justifying one death will only help justify the next.
Let’s say he decided to kill the Joker. The Joker dies. What next? The Scarecrow steps up and tortures Barbara. He The justifies well he killed the Joker so now he should kill the Scarecrow, but why stop there? Why not kill Ivy and Harley? What about Mr Freeze? Even Catwoman who while she isn’t all bad, she has done her fair share of crime.
The whole idea is that once you justify the murder of one person, you are more likely to kill the next person and then it becomes much easier to kill the next and the next.
Look at the Arrow who killed for a full season, he grew darker and more distant, the lines started to blur until he decided to no longer kill. And even when given the opportunity to kill one of his most heinous villains, he spared his life because as soon as he decided to kill that one person, he would destroy everything his moral code stood on.
It’s the same with the Batman. Once you have Batman killing, you can no longer justify why the Joker and the other Rogue Gallery is still alive.
It’s not a “■■■■■■■ dream world” it’s called logic. And the whole point of the COMIC BOOKS is it’s not a real world. Yes there is real crime. Yes Oliver Queen probably should be arrested for tax evasion for being declared dead for 7 or so years but it’s still a comic book. And I don’t even care that Batman killed in his dream. What bothers me is that this just shows how careless Zack truly was. I was fine with Superman killing Zod. I was fine with Diana killing Ares (even though there’s no way he’s actually dead). But that doesn’t mean you go on your high horse and rant about a genuine question of interest.
The whole point of superheroes is they ARE supposed to be better than us, they ARE supposed to be the role models. It’s fine if you want to go down the road of cases where they would kill. When Diana killed Maxwell Lord it wasn’t out of character. When Hawkgirl killed Solomon Grundy to ease his suffering it wasn’t out of character. But when you break the one thing that justifies why Joker is still alive, it destroys the whole point of the Batman comics.
It ruins the very basic structure of the whole thing.
But what do you guys think of Zack Snyder’s comments?